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  114,000, Literal, or Symbolic?

  by Wonderment in

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  a poster wrote to me privately, and brought to my attention the following comment below i made a while back in regards to the 144,00 number of revelation.

  i had casually conjectured that this number was likely symbolic in line with the book of revelation being mostly symbolic in kind.

  he brought up this juicy source:.

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  It is all symbolism (off course). The Babylonians used the 6/12 based number systems and the Jews took that over. 666 and 144 variants show up over and over in both old and New Testament.

  144 is simply the prophesied replacement of 666, which we now know is to mean emperor Nero:
  

  6+6+6= 18, 1+8= 9; 1+4+4 = 9.

  Since Revelation was largely an anti-Nero pamphlet, we should read it in the sense that the Jews (144000) would be in the place of the Beast (Nero or 666). The writer puts in the warning that the reading is a puzzle and to be shrewd and clever.

  • The word “Light” in Jewish gematria = 144
  • Plato and Aristotle taught that the cycle of change is 12x12 or 144 years
  • Holy Innocents massacred = 144,000 in the Coptic Christian tradition, referenced from Matthew
  • The length/breadth/height of New Jerusalem is 12,000 Furlongs (12,000 X 12 Tribes) or 144 cubits and the number repeatedly shows up in early Christian architecture.
  • 144,000 variants per genome.
  • 144,000 total lotus petals of the 7 main chakras in Hindu/Eastern religious/spiritual systems.
  • There are 1,440 minutes in a day.
  • The 6 days of creation (144 hours).
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  Is the tide turning against covid vaccines?

  by slimboyfat in

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  have you seen this video about the covid vaccines?

  have you got any views on the information?

  i find it worrying at least.

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  Boston University just created a COVID 19 variant virus that has 80% mortality in mouse models.

  https://www.biorxiv.org/content/10.1101/2022.10.13.512134v1.full.pdf

  They made a chimera of a strain developed in Wuhan with the Omicron variant. Remember when a bunch of people on this board and other media denied the gain of function research that caused the pandemic…
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  When The SHTF.

  by Lost in the fog in

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  we have several non-jdub friends who are busy stockpiling foods and goods for the impending societal collapse.

  some are happy enough to be called preppers, others are not, but say that looking at the deteriorating condition of the world that it's only a matter of time before the shtf and they want to be prepared to protect themselves and their families when it happens.. contrast that to the jdubs who are actively telling people that the end of the world is coming, but aren't preparing in a practical way because they have been brainwashed by a "jehovah has always protected his servants" mindset from the gb at hq (who laughingly have no reason to be concerned because they're hoping for a quick getaway up to heaven when the jw 'end of the world' comes!).

  the most the average jdub has is a go-bag rucksack in case they have to quickly leave their house in the event of a natural disaster like a flood or a wildfire.. isn't it better to be safe than sorry?

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  It depends on where you live. The US isn’t seeing any impending societal collapse, despite what the media like to tell. Although things have deteriorated in the last 2 years, the likelihood of something really bad happening is very low.

  Now if you live in Europe, especially the Northern and Western countries, then you are going to see food and fuel shortages shortly, there probably won’t be a famine although more elderly than normal will freeze to death.

  Live in Africa or Eastern Europe and it does well to always prepare for war.

  Now it’s very interesting to see JWs prepare for this, as Jehoover should protect his people, so prepping would indicate lack of faith. Moreover they can’t have weapons, so what real-world value is their prepping when the S really HTF other than supplying the bands of roving criminals.

  Yes, it is a good idea to have a few days of supplies and a go-bag if you live in an area prone to disaster (California for example). But most preppers only prepare for 5-30 days, then what, societal collapse implies you will starve to death once supplies run out unless you have a sustainable source of food (you live in the boonies and can hunt/grow crops)
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  was Judas there?

  by enoughisenough in

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  2. beliefs

  from luke 22:14 .

  so when the hour came, he reclined at the table along with the apostles.+ 15 and he said to them: “i have greatly desired to eat this passover with you before i suffer; 16 for i tell you, i will not eat it again until it is fulfilled in the kingdom of god.” 17 and accepting a cup, he gave thanks and said: “take this and pass it from one to the other among yourselves, 18 for i tell you, from now on, i will not drink again from the product of the vine until the kingdom of god comes.”+.

  19 also, he took a loaf,+ gave thanks, broke it, and gave it to them, saying: “this means my body,+ which is to be given in your behalf.+ keep doing this in remembrance of me.”+ 20 also, he did the same with the cup after they had the evening meal, saying: “this cup means the new covenant+ by virtue of my blood,+ which is to be poured out in your behalf.+.

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  The books of the Bible were written well past anyone present could have still been alive. It’s the gospel “according to” Mark/Matthew/Luke. Not written and definitely not final edit by them.

  By the point they were written down (~120CE), anyone around would have been dead at least 40-50 years. The cult of Christianity had split off from Judaism after the destruction of the temple and several claimed to be the true leaders. Various books were written and brought to bear, only some of those ended up being edited into the canonical (Catholic) books we know today.

  The Ethiopian and Orthodox and other now extinct churches and what eventually developed into Islam also used other books (some more/less mystical and gnostic than others) and interpretations. There is also reference to many lost books in all the writings, even Jesus and Paul refers to the lost books eg the book of Enoch.
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  was Judas there?

  by enoughisenough in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  from luke 22:14 .

  so when the hour came, he reclined at the table along with the apostles.+ 15 and he said to them: “i have greatly desired to eat this passover with you before i suffer; 16 for i tell you, i will not eat it again until it is fulfilled in the kingdom of god.” 17 and accepting a cup, he gave thanks and said: “take this and pass it from one to the other among yourselves, 18 for i tell you, from now on, i will not drink again from the product of the vine until the kingdom of god comes.”+.

  19 also, he took a loaf,+ gave thanks, broke it, and gave it to them, saying: “this means my body,+ which is to be given in your behalf.+ keep doing this in remembrance of me.”+ 20 also, he did the same with the cup after they had the evening meal, saying: “this cup means the new covenant+ by virtue of my blood,+ which is to be poured out in your behalf.+.

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  Depends on the Bible book you pick, Luke says yes, John says no. Matthew or Mark seem to say that he left right after he got handed the bread dipped in the wine.

  So in some stories he was there, in some he wasn’t. It’s just an inconsistency between the different stories and indicates the story was made up by each apostle with different goals, people fighting over control of a cult with different viewpoints.
  
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  Covid virus transmission NOT tested in Pfizer trials

  by BoogerMan in

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  why isn't the world's media covering this revelation?.

  if i'd lost a job, business, or reputation for refusing to "get jabbed and save other people's lives," i think i'd be demanding to know what "science" enforced some of the draconian laws & punishments on those who declined the "offer.".

  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j6vbi8gonum.

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  Lol, $6000 a month (if true) is pocket change for someone with his experience. My boss makes $380,000 a year as a researcher and he’s not even ‘that high’ up the totem pole. Tenured professors with 30-40 years of experience in their field don’t sneeze for less than 500k. People with lots of papers, more than 2-3 RO1 grants, chairs, deans, provost etc make a multiple of that.

  Yea, I do real human science research stuff, these people are extremely rich. So you’re saying a professor ‘needs’ the paltry $25k/y after taxes from a YouTube channel is preposterous.

  ”Real” YouTube channels have 20+ staff, you don’t pay those from $6k/month either.

  If you had to bring a child to the ER for COVID, you are one of the ~200 in the entire US that had to do it that month. I don’t believe you when you say there was an ER full of kids, because I work in a hospital, we opened 14 extra ER, between Pediatric and Adult across half the state at the expense of over a billion dollars/year which were never used more than 10 adults or 1 child at a time. And the kicker is now the Biden admin doesn’t want to honor the government’s promises to pay us back for those expenses.
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  Is the tide turning against covid vaccines?

  by slimboyfat in

  1. social
  2. current

  have you seen this video about the covid vaccines?

  have you got any views on the information?

  i find it worrying at least.

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  Yeah, that’s exactly how the fact checkers act, just because a headline doesn’t cover all the nuance in the article it is false.

  There is a blanket ban for people under 18, except in extreme circumstances (as all laws are void in extreme circumstances). For people under 50, it is effectively banned because there will be no doctor in Denmark that provides it. So you can go out of your way and find a way to do it, but it is likely the health institutions won’t cover it, if you end up being a burden to the public health systems, the government will recover those costs from you.

  This is basically the same as saying there is no ban against building a shoddy house, because you can find some private space and find some contractor to build the house. But that doesn’t mean when the government or insurance finds out they won’t ask for back taxes, pay out any damages or personal injury and condemn the building.
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  Is the tide turning against covid vaccines?

  by slimboyfat in

  1. social
  2. current

  have you seen this video about the covid vaccines?

  have you got any views on the information?

  i find it worrying at least.

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  @Rivergang: You do realize that in Denmark, the government stopping to provide vaccines for those under 50, except to those at high risk (similar policy as Florida), they are effectively restricting access. Unlike the US, socialized healthcare means that if you want alternative care, you are going to pay the full price out of pocket at a private hospital.

  Moreover, they did “ban” the vaccine, per Denmark’s health authority: From 1 July, 2022, it will no longer be possible for children and youngsters under the age of 18 to receive the 1st injection, and from 1 September, 2022, it will no longer be possible to receive the 2nd injection. There is an exception for very high risk groups if a panel of doctors approves.

  Since you don’t understand the meaning of the words ‘no longer be possible’, that is effectively a ban.
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  Is the tide turning against covid vaccines?

  by slimboyfat in

  1. social
  2. current

  have you seen this video about the covid vaccines?

  have you got any views on the information?

  i find it worrying at least.

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  Florida’s health department announced that it now recommends against the vaccine for young people because it increases the risk of heart inflammation. This was supported by emerging evidence about the risks with the data showing a significant increase in cases in the first 30 days after a vaccine vs the regular distribution of cases.

  Multiple states now recommend against it for younger children and some are suggesting may outright ban the practice.

  More states have hinted will follow as the risks become more evident.
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  Illinois Elders as mandatory reporters must undergo training

  by Diogenesister in

  1. watchtower
  2. child-abuse

  illinois now requires all elders as mandatory reporters to undergo state approved training every three years to ensure they fully understand their roles as mandated reporters.

  this will include a pre training assessment, 60 - 90 mins of self paced, interactive training with a final assessment to ensure reporters understand their responsibilities.

  following the course, mandated reporters must make a declaration that they understand their status as a reporter and will fully comply with mandatory requirements.

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  @carla: Illinois has mandatory training and certification now for all members and employees as well as volunteers of a religious organization that have contact with children (ordained ministers, people in the church day care etc).

  This is so far the only state with this requirement. Yes, the other states have similar laws but don’t require state certification.

  The reason the state is doing this, is that in case of a child abuse case, the religious organization is either on the line for not making their “employees” and volunteers take the training or make people personally liable for failure to report (you can’t get away with excuses such as “they are volunteers and we didn’t vet them” or “we didn’t know about the law”). The law also crosses corporate boundaries and instead goes after the ecclesiastical hierarchy.

  This law was specifically written with the WTBTS legal construction of congregations in mind, as they are the only organization that tries to claim they aren’t responsible for appointing their own clergy or that the local Kingdom Hall is a separate corporate entity.

  This makes it liable on the Octopope to tell all their “volunteers” regardless of corporate structure or whomever they appoint or not, to complete the training or else the law says they should be barred from continuing a “volunteer” so they can’t get from under this one anymore.